A conversation with an “equality feminist” on twitter reveals they are just as much the problem.
Paul Johnson:
Anyone who subscribes to and perpetuates the myth of evil patriarchy is “the problem.”Kain Yusanagi:
Which equality feminists don’t follow, for the most part?Kain Yusanagi:
At least, not that I’ve seen.Paul Johnson:
Uh, yes, the hell, they do. It’s the single defining characteristic of feminism.Kain Yusanagi:
No, it’s not. That you think that is worrying. Generalization much? Same issues w/ #GamerGate.Paul Johnson:
I defy you to find me a single feminist who doesn’t think men have always oppressed women.Kain Yusanagi:
Hi?Paul Johnson:
Then you got some ‘splainin’ to do.Kain Yusanagi:
What do you want explained? Btw I’d have recommended you to my mum, who taught me, but dead nowPaul Johnson:
Why do women earn less than men?Kain Yusanagi:
Because they choose different jobs and/or more flexible hours for other commitments like familyPaul Johnson:
Why was there a period in which all men in the U.S. had suffrage, but not all women?Kain Yusanagi:
I’m not a US citizen (Canadian), so I can’t really comment there.Kain Yusanagi:
I’d guess that you are referring to the period where suffragettes got right to vote w/o serviceKain Yusanagi:
though? If so, I would argue that having no way to gain right to vote was worse. Unbalanced.Kain Yusanagi:
Was the way they did it fair? No. But that’s also applying modern morals to history. No TY.Paul Johnson:
Right now women have the right to vote w/o service or S.S.S. registry. Men do not.Paul Johnson:
Why are there so many more men in offices power than women?Kain Yusanagi:
That needs to be rectified, then. That is not equality.Paul Johnson:
I dare you to bring that up at your next feminist meet-up. Make sure your phone is charged.Kain Yusanagi:
I’d state that men biologically are more tuned towards being competitive and thrive in such.Kain Yusanagi:
As such, fewer women are interested in such roles. Much like early hunter/gatherer culture.Paul Johnson:
You seem to have some good answers to these key questions. But that leads to a different set.Kain Yusanagi:
1) I don’t have a “feminist meeting”. 2) Don’t have a cell either. Landline for me. 🙂Kain Yusanagi:
3) Most equality feminists I know agree with me on these points.Kain Yusanagi:
Life without questions would be boring. I enjoy questions leading to more questions. 🙂Paul Johnson:
Why are the most vocal and powerful feminists so opposed to equality and dissent?Paul Johnson:
Why do feminists such as yourself allow the corruption of the brand without internal policing?Kain Yusanagi:
Because radicalism is easy to force into a group. It reinforces us vs them mentalities.Paul Johnson:
Why do you defend the brand from outside criticism, yet internal criticism is nary to be foundKain Yusanagi:
Because they saw power that they could take as their own and created an industry of outrage.Paul Johnson:
Where is all the internal criticism of radical feminists?Kain Yusanagi:
Because, as with #GamerGate, while I can denounce such bullshit, I can’t force them to stop >>Kain Yusanagi:
using the label for their own ends. That is the unfortunate thing about freedom of speech.Kain Yusanagi:
There’s a lot of us in #GamerGate & elsewhere who are very outspoken about it, actually.Paul Johnson:
If speech is so damn free, why is there no internal criticism of the radicals? Or where is it?Kain Yusanagi:
But the media focusses where it can get the views for clickbait, not on real facts.Paul Johnson:
Then WHERE IS THE CRITICISM? THE POLICING?Kain Yusanagi:
It’s everywhere! It just doesn’t get publicized because it weakens their ability to profit.
“It’s everywhere!” Make a note of this.
Kain Yusanagi:
It’s why we nerds/gamers have been taking shit for decades, disagreeing, and only now risen up.Paul Johnson:
Then why can’t I find any!? Where are the forums discussing it?Paul Johnson:
No. That’s one person. Where are the masses? You are the MAJORITY right?Kain Yusanagi:
Places that get attacked &/or subverted into radfem places, you mean?Paul Johnson:
No, policing is NOT impossible. AVfM polices heavily.Kain Yusanagi:
It’s like Atheism+ all over again. Hays Code, Comic Code. Look up Entryism.Paul Johnson:
No! Where are the forums where “nominal” feminists criticize the “radical” ones?Kain Yusanagi:
What I stated above happens. Either they get harassed to closure or invaded & ousted.Paul Johnson:
RoK gets called out. That’s policing. Board moderation is policing.Paul Johnson:
But WHERE? Why can’t you come up with a single example?Kain Yusanagi:
Further, you may police in AVfM. What about policing ALL MRAs? Impossible.Kain Yusanagi:
And that’s what you’re asking for. No more possible than radfems policed out.Paul Johnson:
But MRAs don’t have a corruption problem. RoK is not an MRA site.Kain Yusanagi:
Because I stopped going to fem-related boards almost half a decade ago?Kain Yusanagi:
Because they kept getting overrun or shut down?
Paul Johnson:
How are they getting over-run? Why isn’t AVfM getting over-run?Kain Yusanagi:
Since every group has some bad eggs. Know of quite a few white supremacists >>Kain Yusanagi:
who self-identify as MRAs. It’s same deal with feminism.Paul Johnson:
Where is the community of feminists critical of radicals?Kain Yusanagi:
Heavily aggressive DDOS, pressured false appeals to server owners, hacking, etc. Blackhatting.Paul Johnson:
So all these nice feminists don’t have a home now and gave up on trying?Kain Yusanagi:
Or infiltration under guise of equality fem to get community mod position, then takeover.Paul Johnson:
Where are they protesting radical feminism in real life? Where’s the boots on the ground?Kain Yusanagi:
Terribly unfair, IMO.Paul Johnson:
Surely there must be ONE site that has an _adminstrator_ that is an equity feminist. Right?Kain Yusanagi:
A lot of them are also keeping their head down and just living, because of radfem-dom climate.Kain Yusanagi:
Selfish, yes, but no one wants their life ruined. I’m sure you can understand that?Paul Johnson:
Why can’t feminists infiltrate and subvert AVfM?Kain Yusanagi:
Possibly? I’m only speaking from my own experience. I can’t claim anyone else’s.Paul Johnson:
Then we agree that equity feminism does nothing more than lend legitimacy to the radicals.Kain Yusanagi:
Probably because it makes it easier to have you as a visible target?Paul Johnson:
Equity feminists can’t engage real activism, and can’t even gather on the internet.Kain Yusanagi:
They can’t manufacture outrage without a target to blame, after all.Paul Johnson:
What good does equity feminism do?Kain Yusanagi:
Note how organization makes it easier, vs. #GamerGate’s guerilla tactics.Paul Johnson:
And why do you identify with a movement where you’re relegated to impotence?Kain Yusanagi:
Because I agree with equity feminism’s tenets, as taught to me by my mother.Kain Yusanagi:
Whether some assholes commit some bullshit doesn’t affect my beliefs.Kain Yusanagi:
At this point? Try to get equality for men wronged by radfem legislation.Paul Johnson:
How? By what modus operandus?Kain Yusanagi:
We aren’t well organized. 😛 So individual methods that vary.Paul Johnson:
How? What are equity feminists doing?Paul Johnson:
What are some?Paul Johnson:
You aren’t “not well-organized,” you’re in complete isolation, and silent!Kain Yusanagi:
Because whenever we have tried, we get torn apart? Sorta makes it hard.Kain Yusanagi:
No, you’re not the only one to notice that amusing similarity.Paul Johnson:
Can you just answer the fucking question and quit deflecting?Paul Johnson:
What were some of the sites where you tried before they got overrun?Kain Yusanagi:
Several fora that don’t exist anymore because owners stopped paying for them?
But the feminist criticism of radical feminism is everywhere somehow.
Kain Yusanagi:
If you want names, sorry, but never been good at remembering those.Paul Johnson:
Such as?Paul Johnson:
Can you name some people, then? Surely you have some friends with better mems.Paul Johnson:
I’m sorry, I can’t believe that there were “several fora” and you can’t name 1Paul Johnson:
Did you ever visit any of these places yourself?Paul Johnson:
Can you offer ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that “equity feminists” aren’t complicit?Kain Yusanagi:
Look, I’ve been patient with your very rude manner, but enough’s enough.
Here we go. Back’s to the wall, true nature revealed.
Kain Yusanagi:
Yes, I have, no, I don’t remember them because I have memory issues.
He has bullshit issues.
Kain Yusanagi:
Now take your attitude and go away, before I block you.
Feigned indignation.
Paul Johnson:
Equity feminism is a myth, and you’ve done nothing but weasel.Paul Johnson:
And don’t threaten to block me. Just do it.
I’d had enough.
Kain Yusanagi:
Sorry for preferring to give ppl the chance to realize they’re being assholish.Kain Yusanagi:
Don’t worry though. It’s already done.Paul Johnson:
I’m really not. I’m just grilling you for a concrete answer.Paul Johnson:
Surely you can understand my frustration as a non-feminist.
So he starts defending all of feminism because it has good objectives, but admits that it’s completely corrupted in all public media; that he doesn’t know any other equity feminists even online, and doesn’t meet with feminists in person; and that radical feminists have such a grip on cyberspace that there can’t be a forum or chat room anywhere without being coopted or DDoSed. But the main problem is I’m an asshole. #BLOCKED
This is why I can’t stand phony-assed “equity feminists.”
Are you an equity feminist who has answers to me questions? Leave a comment.